{"id":258370,"date":"2022-12-19T11:44:08","date_gmt":"2022-12-19T03:44:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/?p=258370"},"modified":"2023-04-21T17:41:17","modified_gmt":"2023-04-21T09:41:17","slug":"neo-cafe-saigon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/neo-cafe-saigon\/","title":{"rendered":"NEO-, Saigon: Newtro-Style Cafe With Nachos, Craft Beer, And Vibrant Decor"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>NEO- Cafe in Saigon &#8211; a hidden art cafe with a contemporary retro feel<\/h2>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Inside an alleyway that passers-by wouldn\u2019t typically see, <strong>NEO-<\/strong> is a stylish establishment where you can go for a weekend hangout with friends, accompanied by saucy grub and a fancy-looking drinks menu.<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re interested in taking pictures with a colorful backdrop, or just want a fun environment to enjoy your drinks, this cafe might be for you.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h3>A contemporary-style cafe hidden inside an alleyway<\/h3>\n<hr \/>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-269148\" src=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley.jpg\" alt=\"NEO-_alley\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-150x100.jpg 150w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-690x460.jpg 690w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-750x500.jpg 750w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-310x207.jpg 310w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-400x267.jpg 400w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-210x140.jpg 210w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-90x60.jpg 90w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_alley-480x320.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Located inside an alley on Hai B\u00e0 Tr\u01b0ng Street, NEO- is easily recognizable by its bright entrance. Going up the stairs and into the cafe, you\u2019ll find an explosion of colors welcoming you inside. This stylish space feels more<\/span> like a modern art museum<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, with many angles for some gorgeous photos.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-269150\" src=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior.jpg\" alt=\"NEO-_interior\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-150x100.jpg 150w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-690x460.jpg 690w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-750x500.jpg 750w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-310x207.jpg 310w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-400x267.jpg 400w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-210x140.jpg 210w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-90x60.jpg 90w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_interior-480x320.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">From smooth-looking plastic chairs that come in primary colors to <\/span>abstract paintings<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> that brighten up the space, Neo-\u2019s carefully curated choice of color-blocked decor has turned the cafe into a chic-looking space that is perfect for photo-taking.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-269153\" src=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings.jpg\" alt=\"NEO-_paintings\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-150x100.jpg 150w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-690x460.jpg 690w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-750x500.jpg 750w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-310x207.jpg 310w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-400x267.jpg 400w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-210x140.jpg 210w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-90x60.jpg 90w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_paintings-480x320.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you\u2019re looking for fresh air, the balcony is accessible to all and offers a great view of the surrounding roofs. We recommend going up there during the late afternoon for a fantastic <\/span>view of the sunset<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. It\u2019s also around this time that NEO- offers some great craft beers to enjoy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-269149\" src=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony.jpg\" alt=\"NEO-_Balcony\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-150x100.jpg 150w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-690x460.jpg 690w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-750x500.jpg 750w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-310x207.jpg 310w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-400x267.jpg 400w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-210x140.jpg 210w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-90x60.jpg 90w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Balcony-480x320.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><em><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The upstairs balcony is often the place for beer during the evening.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h3>Share some nachos and drinks with friends<\/h3>\n<hr \/>\n<p><em><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-269151\" src=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu.jpg\" alt=\"NEO-_menu\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-150x100.jpg 150w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-690x460.jpg 690w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-750x500.jpg 750w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-310x207.jpg 310w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-400x267.jpg 400w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-210x140.jpg 210w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-90x60.jpg 90w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_menu-480x320.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Being both a cafe and a bar space, NEO- offers some tasty bar bites that is perfect for sharing, such as fries, nachos, and sausages.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-269152\" src=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos.jpg\" alt=\"NEO-_Nachos\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-150x100.jpg 150w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-690x460.jpg 690w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-750x500.jpg 750w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-310x207.jpg 310w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-400x267.jpg 400w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-210x140.jpg 210w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-90x60.jpg 90w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Nachos-480x320.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A crunchy Nachos Ch\u1ee3 L\u1edbn to share.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We highly recommend the <\/span><b>Nachos Ch\u1ee3 L\u1edbn (VND99,999, ~USD4.24)<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> &#8211; a simple dish of fried nachos with juicy, aromatic bits of ground meat, onions, and tomatoes, great as a dish to share with friends, and even better when paired with their craft beer.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">While we didn\u2019t have the chance to try out their beer, the cafe concocts tasty non-alcoholic options if you want to enjoy your hangout sober, featuring some very tropical tastes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-269154\" src=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue.jpg\" alt=\"NEO-_S\u1eefa Hu\u1ebf\" width=\"1200\" height=\"1800\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-200x300.jpg 200w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-683x1024.jpg 683w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-100x150.jpg 100w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-768x1152.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-1024x1536.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-307x460.jpg 307w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-333x500.jpg 333w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-173x260.jpg 173w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-93x140.jpg 93w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-47x70.jpg 47w, https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/NEO-_Sua-Hue-223x334.jpg 223w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">S\u1eefa Hu\u1ebf, a non-alcoholic drink with tropical flavors.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A refreshing, yet full-bodied drink that we recommend is the <\/span><b>S\u1eefa Hu\u1ebf (VND39,000, ~USD1.65)<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, a flavorful concoction made from yogurt, condensed milk, and lime juice that leaves a fantastic sour note.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h3>NEO- Cafe in Saigon &#8211; a retro art cafe with great food and drinks<\/h3>\n<hr \/>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">NEO- is a terrific new addition to Saigon\u2019s cafe landscape and a great refreshing place to hang out if you want something different from Saigon\u2019s quaint and green-looking cafes. Check out this cafe next time you\u2019re in Saigon!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #d47978;\"><b>Address:<\/b><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> 393\/7 Hai B\u00e0 Tr\u01b0ng Street, Ward 8, District 3, H\u1ed3 Ch\u00ed Minh City<br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #d47978;\"><b>Opening hours:<\/b><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> 8am-11.45pm, Daily<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #d47978;\"><b>Contact:<\/b><\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">070 728 5069 <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">| <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/Neo.Venues\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">NEO-\u2019s Facebook page<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">While in HCMC, check out our guide to <a href=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/things-to-do-in-saigon\/\">things to do in Saigon<\/a>. And for more cafes in Saigon, check out <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/cheese-coffee\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Cheese Coffee on L\u00ea Th\u00e1nh T\u00f4n Street<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">,\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/cu-tren-cay-coffee-and-beer\/\">C\u00fa Tr\u00ean C\u00e2y Coffee &amp; Beer<\/a>, and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/trenboong-concept\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tr\u00eanboong Concept<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>NEO- is a stylish space with a great atmosphere and tasty grub, so come and check it out for some pretty photos and a fun time!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":798,"featured_media":269147,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[35],"tags":[322,3653,4205,323],"coauthors":[],"class_list":["post-258370","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-things-to-eat","tag-ho-chi-minh-city","tag-ho-chi-minh-city-cafes","tag-neo","tag-saigon"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>NEO-, Saigon: Newtro-Style Cafe With Nachos, Craft Beer, And Vibrant Decor<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"NEO- is a stylish space with a great atmosphere and tasty grub, so come and check it out for some pretty photos and a fun time!\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/neo-cafe-saigon\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"NEO-, Saigon: Newtro-Style Cafe With Nachos, Craft Beer, And Vibrant Decor\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"NEO- is a stylish space with a great atmosphere and tasty grub, so come and check it out for some pretty photos and a fun time!\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/thesmartlocal.com\/vietnam\/neo-cafe-saigon\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"TheSmartLocal Vietnam - Travel, Lifestyle, Culture &amp; 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